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EP 642: How You Can Prevent Cancer With Functional Medicine, the Future of Holistic Healthcare

• Dr. Sandeep Mistry and Donna Lee

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In this segment, Dr. Mistry and Donna Lee are joined by Dr. Philip Oubre, a family physician specializing in functional medicine. This holistic approach to healthcare looks beyond surface symptoms for the root cause of illness. Dr. Oubre's typical patient has seen many doctors and tried many treatments, but still struggles with chronic or unexplained symptoms. Functional medicine treats underlying inflammatory conditions like cancer and autoimmune disease with a mix of supplements, diet, exercise, and improved sleep hygiene. If you think you've tried everything for your ongoing health problems, listen in to learn why functional medicine is different. Visit Oubre Medical online or call 512-607-4071 today.

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Dr. Mistry is a board-certified urologist and has been treating patients in the Austin and Greater Williamson County area since he started his private practice in 2007.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to the Armor Men's Health Show with Dr. Mystery and Donna Lee.

Speaker 2:

Hello and welcome to the Armor Men's Health Show. This is Dr. Mystery, your host, board certified urologist, not a board certified comedian, though I am joined by my comedian, co-host Donna Lee. That's

Speaker 3:

Right. I am a board certified comedian and a board certified co-host. It's the Dr. Donna Show. Welcome.

Speaker 2:

She is certifiable and she is not a physician. <laugh> , this show is brought to you by N AAU urology Specialist, the urology group that I started in 2007. We are in Austin, Texas, for those of you that are listening worldwide

Speaker 3:

In the other

Speaker 4:

Side of

Speaker 2:

The world. And we are happy to see you either by telemedicine appointment or in-house, even if you're out of state . We're joined again by good friend of our practice. Dr. Philip o He's like the farra of our of our, of our of the beans. Yes, because, because the far beans , because Oob is spelled O U B R E O ere . And

Speaker 4:

I was reminded the basketball player goes by Kelly Oubre . Oh. And I like to announce that he's, he's a traitor to the name <laugh> . Are

Speaker 2:

Are you related, Dr. Oubre ?

Speaker 4:

No , not really. Just a slight skin color difference.

Speaker 2:

Okay. So Dr . O , you are a primary care doctor, but you do something different. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . And it's very similar to the kind of medicine that we purport to do in our practice. Mm-hmm . A more holistic full body approach to , uh, to , to to to medical care. Correct. Now a as , as you're giving advice to patients mm-hmm . <affirmative> . And just kind of like if you were gonna talk to a 20 year old who's in pretty good health, what would you like their impression of medical care and healthcare to be as they grow up and grow older?

Speaker 4:

That's a good question. I think of myself in my twenties and we never went to the doctor unless you had a problem. And I think if you're only going when you have problems and you're missing the things before they get there. And I think people don't realize in today's medical society that even in your twenties, even in your teenage years, there's labs and things we can look at to see where you're headed as far as a trajectory. We focus on disease by the time you get into your forties and fifties, sometimes sixties if you're lucky. But all of those diseases that cropped up, they didn't just show, you didn't just magically have a heart attack at age 45. You had cardiovascular inflammation, you had arterial inflammation that could be easily detected with blood tests that most conventional doctors don't even look at, can be tested 20 years before they ever get

Speaker 2:

There. And I know it's a very hard thing to kind of convince people of, but if you want healthcare or healthy care, you can't just rely on the medical profession when you are sick or sick care. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , you are missing the opportunity to make those lifestyle changes early in your life. That kind of help. Now, when it comes to functional medicine, which is what you do, describe to our listeners, how would you describe your approach to care and what is your kind of medical practice?

Speaker 4:

I think the simplest way to say it is that most diseases acquired by people, meaning they weren't born with it and they developed something. So if you developed something as a child, as an adult, you usually can un develop it. There was some sort of trigger that created that event. Or based on your genetics, you're more susceptible. So sure. Eating cheeseburgers for one person causes kidney disease, another erectile dysfunction, same cheeseburger, different Oh ,

Speaker 5:

Oh, hi .

Speaker 2:

We're , we're , we're changing what we're having for dinner. Your

Speaker 5:

Eyes got really big there also . Oh no . <laugh> , no cheeseburgers don't

Speaker 2:

Have the cheeseburger for that date, fellas

Speaker 4:

<laugh> . So we're, we're focused on the disease instead of working backwards to see what were the causes of the , those diseases. Cuz the human body is an absolutely remarkable tool. As long as it has all the right tools on its tool belt, it can fix almost any problem. And in conventional medical school, I'm sure you can agree that that's not how we're taught. We're taught, oh, you've got an issue. Here's a medication to fix that. Uh, we don't talk about nutrition, we don't not talk about causes, and they don't even really know about the causes.

Speaker 2:

What's interesting, what I've learned, and and an example would be when we diagnose somebody with prostate cancer, invariably the first question they ask is, what should I eat? Really? Yeah. Yeah. Invariably, that's why we

Speaker 4:

Have a health proud right now. That's

Speaker 5:

Why we have a health coach

Speaker 2:

Now . Invariably, it's because innately we understand that what we do and put into our bodies and how we live is going to affect our health. I have not had one infertility patient come to me where I said, do you know your stress affects your fertility? They're like, yeah, I can see that. Like, they know that no , but then, but I'm not gonna change it . But has anybody ever like, talked to you about sleep or diet or anything? But once you're sick, that's the first moment you're like, well man, I really need to fix my diet. But that's like, the horses already left the barn. Many

Speaker 4:

Diseases. Luckily we can reverse. And , and like I said, the human body's incredible what it can reverse. So ideally, you always wanna prevent those things before they happen. And unfortunately, too often, like in the cancer world, we're focused on, once you develop cancer, oh, here are all the things you have to do. But we're not focused enough on, Hey, how about you do all these things so that you prevent cancer? We had a , a rep come by our office recently promoting this new cancer test that it would tell you the , the top 12 deadliest cancers, whatever. And it's a looking like a very promising test. I I would , I would ask my patients, cause a thousand dollars test said , well , if it came back positive, what would you do? And then why don't you just do that right now? Oh , instead of worrying about having cancer, focus on preventing it. Because preventing it is so much better than , uh, than getting it and then treating it. And just the idea that cancer is preventable is somewhat unknown. Most people don't even realize that, that that's a thing. They think it's just a curse that you're either gonna get it or you're not. And cancer is absolutely preventable. And I'll struggle to say reversible. It's one of the few things that's very difficult to, to reverse.

Speaker 2:

A lot of times patients will wonder why their doctors don't talk more about nutrition. And I know the reason <laugh> , it's because I'm not taught because it takes a lot of time.

Speaker 4:

Absolutely. You have to

Speaker 2:

Teach yourself mm-hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm . <affirmative> . And , um, the problem is a lot of patients are resistant to hearing it mm-hmm . <affirmative> . And so as a doctor, you know, I want to offer things that the patient's gonna accept and do and follow through. One that's called compliance. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> . So sometimes doctors don't wanna bring up nutrition in lifestyle changes because if you are not interested, then I feel kind of like I'm a failure. Right. Like, I , I was a failure because I didn't give you something you wanted. But, but what I've changed about my mindset is that it may only be 10% of those patients that listen to me, but they , that 10% their life is amazingly changed.

Speaker 4:

Yeah. And then their family, if , if you affect , especially the mother of the family, typically if you affect the mother in the family, then everyone else in the family is automatically gonna start eating better because they're probably not gonna the grocery store. Let's be honest .

Speaker 2:

That's right. That's right. I'm a vegetarian because my wife's a vegetarian, you know ,

Speaker 6:

And then I eat cheeseburgers

Speaker 4:

On the side .

Speaker 2:

Exactly. Eat cheeseburgers, <laugh> . So, so when somebody is seeking out a functional medical kind of approach , uh, what are some of the most common conditions that lead them to find care outside of the traditional medical care route ?

Speaker 4:

Unfortunately, and I would love to change this, it's, it's commonly , uh, they've seen 10 doctors and don't have any answers and are getting worse. Mm . Uh , that's our, that's our common patient. We would like it to be the person like myself. Because how I discovered functional medicine was I was working for a doctor that was doing these advanced lab tests, and I did my own test and thought my inflammatory markers and detox markers were worse than many of my patients that come to see me. And they're, they're broken. But I was that person that was healthy, quote unquote , and had these terrible inflammatory markers. And I was the guy that at 40 was gonna have a heart attack. And everyone's gonna look at and say, well , he's doing triathlons. He looks healthy, he looks healthy.

Speaker 2:

How

Speaker 4:

Did that happen? That's like, and that's where it's like, oh , it's occurs . You're just gonna get something. No, no , no. These things are testable. They're treatable and we can prove that they're reversed . We've reversed so many people's atherosclerosis, which is hardening of the arteries. We've taken people with an arterial age of 90, already had a heart attack and taken 'em all the way down to not only their age, but younger than their age and credible stuff. And I was gonna be that person had I not found it and treated it before that. So now luckily I'm 40 and still haven't had a heart attack. My inflammatory numbers look great. Those are the patients we're trying to reach more often. Let's prevent the disease before it happens. There's not much glory in preventing the disease because when you take someone's inflammatory markers down and they don't have the heart attack, they're like, okay, it's That's right. You can't

Speaker 2:

Really working . You can't prove a negative, you know? Correct. And so , um, so the , the kinds of conditions where people are gonna be seeking multiple , uh, care providers in , in my experience, are going to be like chronic fatigue in women. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> the bloating mm-hmm . <affirmative> , uh, and kind of just like not feeling right for women. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> for men, it's gonna be , uh, uh, maybe joint pain or uh , or rashes or rashes and kind of this inflammatory issue. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the

Speaker 4:

Generic vague stuff is one of the most common

Speaker 2:

Stuff. Yeah. And the problem with the , the

Speaker 4:

Brain fogs

Speaker 2:

The in , in medicine, like if somebody comes to me and says they have brain fog, I'm like, you know, I'm not, but I could see other urologists or other people that are kind of treating hormonal things being like, well , that's

Speaker 4:

Above the nipples.

Speaker 2:

No . Yeah . I don't know . That's , that seems, that seems like that's keep

Speaker 6:

It the nipples to the knees, to

Speaker 2:

The knees stay in your lane. Or , or , or if they come , come and complain about erectile dysfunction, for example, you know, most doctors are just gonna give a pill . Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but looking for the root cause is something that a lot of the patients actually want. Right. They don't actually want the pill. Right. They want me to help them work their way out of the si the , the situation. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So , um, uh, what can people expect when they come to you as a patient in terms of what that, that, that , that appointment's gonna look like?

Speaker 4:

The, the first appointment is, is really a game changer . And so many people are surprised. One of the first things I always tell people is, we have 90 minutes here to talk and our first visit to hear your story. And that's the most important part. I want to hear your story and if it takes the whole 90 minutes, that's fine. I don't need to tell you anything about what you're gonna do. I just want to hear the story. And it's amazing how many times people sit in the chair and start rattling off their story and I'm like, time out . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> that we've got, I'm gonna say it again. We got 90 minutes, like you're running through this in 10 minutes. I want to hear the details and as you go, I'm gonna ask even more questions about those details,

Speaker 2:

About their lifestyle, about their diet, about their habits, about Yes. About what's really bothering them. Yes.

Speaker 4:

And not only that, but really, I, I , I focus on getting years and dates every time someone's presenting. Like whatever started when, because it's so, it's in the functional medicine world , it's amazing. If you actually sit down and pay attention, there's always a time where they started getting sick. And if you find that place where their first symptoms started, you can rewind it almost always to six months before

Speaker 2:

Something they did. Exactly . Something they did. And, and it , it's almost like the light gets in their head Exactly. Like, oh yeah. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . That's right. That new job Yes. Caused this and it changed my diet. Yes. It's, it's ,

Speaker 4:

Or I went to college and my mom was feeding me perfectly health . Reasonably healthy American foods. Yes . And I go to college and I live on fast food and six months later I have psoriasis. Well ,

Speaker 2:

Fascinating. Fascinating. Well, we're gonna be right back after this message. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , uh, we're joined by Dr. Phillip OB of O Medical. O u b r e. Donna, take us out. That's

Speaker 3:

Right. You can call us five one twelve two three eight zero seven six two.

Speaker 2:

Hello and welcome back to the Armor Men's Health Show. This is Dr. Mystery , your host joined always with my co-host Donna Lee. Hey

Speaker 3:

Everybody. Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 2:

You're a professional comedian. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you were voted what?

Speaker 3:

Seventh funniest mom in America by Nick Knight . Seriously ?

Speaker 2:

Yes. She's amazing. I

Speaker 3:

Was on season two of the search for the funniest mom in American hundred . That's awesome . Hundreds of moms applied and sent in videos and out of the hundreds I got to the top 10, a TV show, a reality show. And then I wasn't the first to get kicked off or the second, but I was the third to get kicked off, which means I'm technically the seventh funniest mom in America . The fact

Speaker 4:

That you made it at all is impressive. She's ,

Speaker 2:

She's ,

Speaker 4:

She's Nick at night . Is that still

Speaker 3:

A thing? I have the DVDs. I I can't watch them. There was like a hundred years ago.

Speaker 2:

We're gonna put them on YouTube.

Speaker 3:

No, they're on YouTube <laugh> .

Speaker 2:

And although you've heard his voice, we're joined again by Dr. Philip UB of U Medicine Medical O U B R E before we forget what's your website?

Speaker 4:

Uh , www.umedical.com. O U B R E medical.com.

Speaker 2:

You know you're old because you said www

Speaker 4:

First age . Oh man. Do people

Speaker 2:

Still say that ? They don't That dunno . I'm

Speaker 3:

Sorry. That's

Speaker 2:

A lot of trouble . And we edit that out <laugh> And what's and what's your phone and what's your phone number?

Speaker 4:

No , (512) 829-1104. Do I need to announce the parentheses in 5 1 2? Does that age

Speaker 2:

There's

Speaker 3:

Dash

Speaker 4:

Open parent five 10 .

Speaker 3:

Don't forget the dash.

Speaker 2:

So, Dr . UB is a functional medicine doctor, really , uh, pleases me to be able to send him patients. And the kinds of patients that we feel like benefit the most from functional medicine are going to be those that are motivated to try to find absolutely the root cause of their illness and have kind of a vague generalized symptom class. So I thought maybe we could go through kind of what I would consider the classic person for you. Let's talk about the 48 year old <laugh> woman. How'd you know, who's a mother of two who just feels tired and bloated and blah

Speaker 4:

Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and has Hashimoto's.

Speaker 2:

Okay . So , so , so , so , so that's

Speaker 4:

Like ,

Speaker 2:

That's my go through . That's a common, so let's go through it. First of all, what is

Speaker 4:

Hashimoto's? So Hashimoto's is a fancy word for an autoimmune condition that affects your thyroid, where your own immune system is attacking your thyroid. And so by the time the patients come to us, they've gone to the doctor a million times saying they're tired. So the doctor's tested at the thyroid and whether it's abnormal or not, they'll throw the thyroid medicine at it. And so the patient will get a placebo effect for six months. Oh, it's working and I'm fine. And then it stops and

Speaker 2:

Then the symptoms come back. Yeah. And we're not making light of people's medical conditions. No, not at all. It's real. But we want you to know you're not alone. Oh , no . You're , you're the common , common common

Speaker 4:

Immune

Speaker 2:

Condition. You're so common of a patient, in fact that we have a stereotype mm-hmm . <affirmative> for the , for this woman in her late forties and early fifties mm-hmm . <affirmative> that has chronic fatigue. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So when you go through and kind of go through their history and your, your 90 minute initial appointment and things like that. Mm-hmm . What do you find are some commonalities of, of things that kind of kicked off the whole symptom complex?

Speaker 4:

So you, you mentioned the kids. That's already a big part, especially the American mom these days. The American mom is commonly working and raising children and still expected to be the mother of the house. So frequently they're , they're the same mother . That was the mother That's agreed.

Speaker 2:

That's weird because my life hasn't changed at all. Hundred years. <laugh> ,

Speaker 4:

Shut up and eat your hamburgers. <laugh> . She's more stressed than even the , the mothers a hundred years ago because she is a working mom and sure, she may not be the breadwinner, but still it's still 40 hours is still stressful and she's gotta get the kids and she's gotta make the meals and she's gotta clean the things. And so the stress ,

Speaker 2:

And you better be sexy for me when I come home too ,

Speaker 7:

Lady . Geez , I quit <laugh> ,

Speaker 4:

I'm leaving . I don't even know what to say to this <laugh> . So stress, I mean, is obviously a major part, but the other things that go along with stress are less time for eating, less time for preparing food. So she's more likely to make food on demand, the chicken nuggets and things. And she's more likely to pick it with the kids are eating and for lunch she's more likely to grab a sandwich and chips. And for breakfast, she's more likely to grab a muffin on the way to Starbucks and, and drink the sugary coffee. So it's the perfect storm of all the things you're eating inflammatory foods because you're grabbing quick foods and they taste good. You're eating a lot of sugar, you've got a lot of stress. And all of those other inflammatory foods, gluten and dairy are triggering your autoimmune condition. I mean, the link between gluten, I mean gluten is such a , a , a thing now, but, and , and we promote a lot of gluten-free, so I'm not making fun of that. But the idea is that so many people blame everything on gluten, but gluten is heavily tied to autoimmune thyroid. It's if anyone has any kind of autoimmune thyroid or even thyroid in general, gluten is one of the first things to take out. And so commonly when we start taking inflammatory foods out, adding more vegetables in, I know that's scary word vegetables. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> adding those vegetables in it automatically starts to make this woman feel better. And we haven't even gotten started.

Speaker 2:

You really brought up something very interesting, which is this idea that I think a lot of women out there think they're eating healthy,

Speaker 4:

The American diet,

Speaker 2:

They think they're eating healthy, it's atrocious, but it , but it's all this extra little stuff. But the, the importance of stress and stress management in, in our field of urology for sure, I see worse disease in those men who are under a lot of stress. The rare person that that I say, Hey, do you have a stressful life? They're like , uh, no. You know, like <laugh> ,

Speaker 4:

Many of those are men that are high functioning and very wealthy who think they're not stressed. But really it's just that they're really good at handling the stress. But stress is stress no matter which, which way you coat it, cook it. And I like to think of stress just like money. Stress is the multiplier. If you eat gluten while you're absolutely stressed out, if you're eating a donut while you're absolutely stressed out, that's gonna cause way more damage than if you're enjoying yourself and eating this gluten and sugar. It , it's less stress. Stress is the multiplier. Just like money. Money doesn't make you any different, just makes you more of who you are. It's a multiplier to your personality. If you're generous, you're a risk . Make your penis bigger. Oh yeah .

Speaker 2:

That's not sure . Somehow it does make your penis bigger <laugh> on you . So does, so does the limit mean every time

Speaker 3:

My husband sells a house, I'm like, dang , there's a big old penis right

Speaker 4:

There,

Speaker 2:

Debbie . So when it comes to stress in our practice, we try to use sleep as a metric. So when I ask people if they sleep well, that usually tells me if they're stressed or not. Correct. Do you think there are other metrics that people can just use in their daily life to tell if they're stressed? There's

Speaker 4:

Keys. Uh , there's four key symptoms and I could probably go on. So let's see if I can keep it to four. In , in my world, in the functional medicine work , we call this , uh, adrenal dysfunction. It used to be called adrenal fatigue. And that's a long explanation, but now it's called adrenal dysfunction. And the idea behind adrenal dysfunction is your adrenals make cortisol the stress hormones . So the more you flog those adrenals, the more cortisol they make. And so the classic hallmark findings of disrupted cortisol, cause there's both high cortisol and low cortisol and inappropriate, so they're supposed to, you're , as people should know, cortisol rises in the morning. That's what wakes us up. And then it stays elevated most of the day and then it falls in the evening . And that's why we fall asleep. And cortisol is at its lowest while we're sleeping and prices .

Speaker 2:

And it's a stress hormone. It's supposed to be there. Correct . Use that extra jolt When that saber tooth tiger was coming after us, we need that extra jolt so we can get away from it. But now that saber-tooth tiger is a Facebook post <laugh> Exactly.

Speaker 4:

That

Speaker 2:

You get it at 10 o'clock at night, that that raises your stress level, not a saber tooth tiger. And when that cortisol spikes at night, you don't get good sleep. You're too amped up. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . And this is a stressor that causes inflammation.

Speaker 4:

Those four symptoms are, it's commonly poor sleep. But really the, the key word is actually restless sleep. So you might sleep eight hours, but you're tossing and turning, you're frequently awake. That's one of the symptoms. Number two symptom that I think most people can identify with is that two to 3:00 PM brain fog crash fatigue crash. That's an adrenal issue. That's a stress issue. Third one is craving salt, which is not necessarily a bad thing. I love salt and that's a myth that salt causes high blood pressure and all these terrible things. We should be eating more salt. And then number four is actually carb craving. Cause it has cortisol goes up as you know, Dr. Mystery , the the sugar cravings go up because we start making more sugar and craving more sugar. So the sugar, salt, restless sleep and brain fog in that two or three o'clock afternoon we call adrenal dysfunction, which is mainly the symptoms of too much stress. And

Speaker 2:

One of the differences between functional medicine and what you would consider just traditional allopathic medicine is kind of reliance on lots of pharmaceutical. My goal is to get people off drugs. Your goal is to keep people off from taking drugs. When it comes to stress management and renal dysfunction, what are your approaches to both diagnosing it and treating it? We

Speaker 4:

Don't do a lot of testing for it because it's so obvious with the symptoms. People are usually, like you said, like, okay, yeah, I know I'm too stressed. I know I'm doing two things. The main first step I tell people is like, I can give you supplements that will help you with, it'll absolutely help you with this . But you can't out supplement a bad diet and you can't out supplement a bad life. If you're gonna keep working 90 hours a week, sure, take these supplements and it might help you feel less tired. But it's ev the , the Saber two tires is eventually gonna catch up to you. If he keeps chasing you, you can only outrun it for so long. First step is to change your lifestyle in whatever way that is. Set boundaries, start healthy relationships, get out of bad relationships, whatever it may be to decrease your lifestyle stressors. Make sure you focus on good sleep. And then the supplements is , is next. And my favorite two supplements are true adapt plus and new adapt in the evening. True two capsules in the morning of the true adapt one capsule of the new

Speaker 2:

Adapt , it's called True Adapt TTR u mm-hmm . <affirmative> . A D A P T. Correct. Plus . And and what's the next one?

Speaker 4:

New Adapt . N u Adapt.

Speaker 2:

What do they have in them? Uh ,

Speaker 4:

So it's all kinds of , um, adrenal , uh, herbs. We , we call the adrenal herbs adaptogens, which is a fun word. Uh , the idea behind adaptogens are herbs that help you balance the current mode. So , um, like, like I like to compare it to nicotine. If you've ever seen a smoker, they love to wake up to a cigarette and they love to go to sleep to a cigarette. And you're like , how does it, how does

Speaker 2:

It , does it wake you up and put you down? Right .

Speaker 4:

Yeah . And so the idea is that we have different sh we have different receptors. Our brain presents different receptors at different times of the day and evening. And so these adaptogenic herbs are meant to, to match your environment to the current situation. And so, to be honest, we don't really understand how they all work. One of the more fascinating ones, and my favorite one cuz it's fun to say, is Ashwagandha one of the common herbs in We

Speaker 3:

Have that . Yeah . We're selling that in the clinic now.

Speaker 2:

No . Must they ,

Speaker 4:

I love ashwagandha fun word, but they've actually proven that. Well, we don't know all the ways it works, but one of the ways it works is it actually affects your microbiome, the bacteria in your gut. And somehow that regulates our adrenals. It's not really ashwagandha affecting our adrenals as far as we know, it's affecting bacteria that then affect our adrenals. That's

Speaker 2:

Crazy. Wow . I think this idea that we're in symbiotic relationship with the bacteria in our gut is , uh, a fascinating one. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> that we hit upon a lot with urinary tract infections. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I can't thank you enough for joining us, Dr . Ob tell us again , uh, how to become a patient of yours.

Speaker 4:

So you can look us up on the website, www.ubermedical.com. O u b r e medical.com. And our phone number is (512) 829-1104 .

Speaker 2:

I can't thank you enough for joining us. Donna, how do people get ahold of us? You

Speaker 3:

Can reach us at 5 1 2 2 3 8 0 7 6 2 in Mexico. When they say that , w it's oo do they say Oooooo dot That's a lot to say. That's a lot. All right . Well, thanks Dr . <laugh> .

Speaker 2:

Thanks, Donna. The Armor Men's Health Show

Speaker 1:

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