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EP 620: Your Mighty Mitochondria: Dr. Oubre Traces the Root of All Disease Down to the Cellular Level

• Dr. Sandeep Mistry and Donna Lee

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In this segment, Dr. Mistry and Donna Lee are joined by Dr. Philip Oubre, a family physician specializing in functional medicine. This holistic approach to healthcare looks beyond surface symptoms for the root cause of illness. Today, Dr. Oubre explains the role cells play in maintaining overall health. Mitochondria create the majority of energy within our cells--and when they don't function well, neither do we. Tune in to hear why Dr. Oubre calls mitochondrial dysfunction the root of all evil. More specifically, he traces many of the most common diseases all the way down to our cells.  To learn more about Oubre Medical and how functional medicine can improve your health, visit them online or call 512-829-1104 today.

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Dr. Mistry is a board-certified urologist and has been treating patients in the Austin and Greater Williamson County area since he started his private practice in 2007.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to the Armor Men's Health Show with Dr. Mystery and Donna Lee.

Speaker 2:

Hello and welcome to the Armor Men's Health Show. This is Dr. Mystery, your host, board certified urologist. I'm a doctor. Are you? Yeah. You

Speaker 3:

Keep saying it. Surgeon's

Speaker 2:

True. Surgeon. First baby surgeon. First.

Speaker 4:

Surgeon first.

Speaker 3:

That's why you always coming at people with

Speaker 2:

Scissors. That's right.<laugh>. I'm joined by my co-host, Donna Lee.

Speaker 3:

That's right. Comedy first over here. Me, board

Speaker 2:

Certified co-host. Being a urologist has kind of helped me become expert in men's health, at least smarter than most people. We, we have a practice in central Texas, in the Austin area. We have four, almost five offices now. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, uh, we have some amazingly awesome offerings. We have full array of urologic care and we just added an interventional radiologist. We're offering in-house prostate artery, artery embolization. It is something fascinating for enlarged prostates. It's minimally invasive. It really up your alley if you have a big prostate and don't want a catheter. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, uh, it's, it's fascinating. So if, if you're in interested, uh, we, we would love to see you, Donna. How do people get ahold of us?

Speaker 3:

We will have, uh, more information on our website soon about that, but, um, you can reach out to us at 5 1 2 2 3 8 0 7 6 2. Our website is armor men's health.com. And you can also be redirected to our main website, north austin urology.com through that website. But we do take questions at the website. We'll answer them anonymously. We have special guests on the show from time to time, or almost every week now. And if you have a question for the guests, you can also submit the question there at armor men's health.com.

Speaker 2:

And today we're joined by a really good friend of our practice, Dr. Philip UB of UB Medical, O U B R E. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank

Speaker 4:

You. I love how you

Speaker 2:

Say it. Dr. U is a functional medicine doctor that is a branch of medicine that many patients out there are not familiar with. And they didn't even know doctors like you existed.

Speaker 4:

Correct. I didn't know doctors like me existed<laugh> until I became one<laugh>. And

Speaker 2:

Unfortunately, a lot of people may have the wrongful impression. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> that this is more of a kind of a fr fru kind of like, like not serious of way to practice medicine. But these are the same people that innately know that what you put into your body and how you live your life can affect your health. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So really a functional medicine doctor is going to try to dig deeper into your conditions. Now, you're not treating kidney stones like that where they're having severe pain right now. Right. Right.

Speaker 4:

Take this supplement and go rest

Speaker 2:

At home and you're not, do a meditation and you're not dealing with acute appendicitis No. Or brain tumors. And this is not what you're here to do. You're here to deal with more of those vague symptoms that kind of causes chronic fatigue, really affect our lifestyle. Cause more stress that a lot of people suffer

Speaker 4:

From. Now, I wanted to put an asterisk on a couple of those, because kidney stones can often be a symptom of candida overgrowth. Candida makes steals our own. And we're gonna talk about mitochondria. So candida steals some of our mitochondrial components and converts it into oxalic acid and elevated oxalic acid, of course, gets eliminated in the

Speaker 2:

Urine. It is absolutely the case that kidney stones, prostate cancer, urinary issues, low testosterone has a, a functional medicine basis. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> in terms of what we eat and how we live our lives. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Now when it comes to energy, I, I always learned that the energy maker of the cell is the mitochondria.<laugh><laugh>. And, and, and did you know Donna, that the mitochondria, we think evolutionarily mm-hmm.<affirmative> was a bacteria. Okay. Okay. That was eaten by early cells. Oh, because it's an energy maker. Mm-hmm. Like, it, like it's actually it's

Speaker 4:

Origin. We enslaved it.

Speaker 2:

We oh, we enslaved the mitochondria in, in, in our cells. It has its own dna N mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And it's only passed from the mother. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>,

Speaker 3:

Because there's no, how you know all this. And I've been talking about this in the clinic, a doctor, nobody said,

Speaker 2:

Doctor, I

Speaker 3:

Haven't, I have been bringing this up. And you said nothing to me. The

Speaker 2:

Mitochondria's fascinating and it always

Speaker 4:

Just trying to show off in front of me.

Speaker 3:

So I had to go listen to somebody else's podcast to learn about mitochondria.

Speaker 2:

So all of our mitochondria that's in our bodies came from the first mother.

Speaker 4:

Wow.

Speaker 3:

Wicked's. So mitochondria.

Speaker 4:

So it's all the women's fault is what I'm hearing. I

Speaker 3:

Apparently<laugh> as always.

Speaker 2:

I never said

Speaker 3:

Anything. These, your eyebrows were making those signs to me. I, I eyebrow the mitochondria. Let's talk about what it is, because I just recently feel like I learned some amazing wealth of knowledge.

Speaker 2:

So tell us, uh, Dr. Ub, what is the mitochondria functionally to us? Even though I love the idea of how it looks under the microscope.

Speaker 4:

It is a cool looking thing under the microscope. Wish I could say some sort of Latin way of what mito and kadria mean, but I actually have no idea<laugh>. And so, uh, yeah, we will have to look that up. So basically the simplest way I explained it to patients is, um, cause the mitochondria is so important, we actually blame almost all of disease on mitochondrial dysfunction. You can really boil it down to even cancers caused by mitochondrial dysfunction. It is

Speaker 2:

The women's fault.

Speaker 4:

<laugh> told you that, you've said it right already, that the mitochondria make the majority of energy for the cell in a healthy person. Get more into that. And so the idea behind the mitochondria is it is in enslaved bacteria is the idea inside of a cell. And you can have up to hundreds and thousands of them inside one cell, depending on how much energy that tissue is making. So say a a fat cell doesn't really make a lot of energy. It just kind of sits there. It's not gonna have much mitochondria. And like a liver cell's gonna have a lot of mitochondria. The mitochondria are basically the thing that takes the food, the cheeseburger you're gonna eat tonight. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> takes the food that you break down in your intestines. You absorb those molecules as energy. The liver packages it, and then the liver sends out these packages of energy for every cell to manufacture their own energy. It's kind of like there's gas stations all around and, uh, you put gas in your car, but it's not energy. Your engine has to convert that gas into en energy that's useful to the car. The mitochondria is what takes the energy packages from the liver floating the bloodstream and actually converts it into usable energy by the cell.

Speaker 2:

What's the energy packet that the liver cells out? Is that cholesterol?

Speaker 4:

So ldl, yeah, LDL is the main energy molecule that's floating out there. But of course sugar proteins,

Speaker 2:

Because we look at cholesterols and bad word. Correct. But in fact, it's me started<laugh>. It is how we energy. Energy.

Speaker 4:

It's

Speaker 2:

Energy. It's just, it's just a very concentrated way of getting energy. Yes. Because because sugar, so,

Speaker 4:

And try to demonize it. Sugar

Speaker 2:

Is so inefficient. Oh,

Speaker 4:

It's terrible.

Speaker 2:

But, but cholesterol is better. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>, but, but, but moderating sugars and cholesterol. Absolutely. And so then the cholesterol goes around, goes to the cell, it goes through the membrane, goes into the mitochondria, and then you make atp, which is like the energy, uh, thing that the, that the, that the cell's gonna use. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>

Speaker 4:

And Andin 80 plus and adh, if anyone's familiar with any plus infusions and things.

Speaker 2:

How do mitochondria is dysfunction then?

Speaker 4:

So the, i I love talking about this, but I I have to try to make sure we keep it simple. So the, I like to compare the, the cell membrane of every cell as the front door to your home. So if you want to get groceries into your home, you have to open the front door. And if you wanna get trash out, well, I mean, I guess not everybody goes to the front door, but you get with the metaphors going through

Speaker 2:

The door, who takes the trash out? Not

Speaker 3:

You.

Speaker 4:

Okay.

Speaker 3:

Not the men.<laugh> honey. The women. Okay. The dysfunctional women do that.<laugh>.

Speaker 4:

So the idea is if you have a functioning door, then you can take the groceries and in the trash out. And so as that cell membrane gets dysfunctional, it's like putting multiple deadlocks uh, deadbolts on that door. So it's harder to get groceries and harder to get trash out. Well, the mitochondria in order for it to function, has a double cell membrane. So it's inside of a cell, inside of a cell membrane. And then it itself has a double cell membrane to actually generate energy. So this cell membrane is multiple, multiple doors. So if the doors are so deadbolted, then it can't even get energy into the cell, into the mitochondria. And so the cell could have plenty cholesterol, plenty of energy, but if it can't get the energy, those energy particles into the mitochondria, the mitochondria can't make it at all. This cell membrane is hardened and disrupted by lack of fish oils and lack of healthy oils. We, we eat primarily in, in America inflammatory foods and inflammation thickens our membranes. Uh, inflammatory oils like, um, like vegetable oils and things. Too much of those end up hardening our membranes. Our membranes are supposed to be very fluid. So we call this oxidative stress. When you eat inflammatory foods and poor detox and these oxidative stress actually change oils no differently than burning an oil. You can pour olive oil in a pan and burn it and it's different after it's burnt. Well, that's what happens to your mitochondria. Your mitochondria can't get the energy into it, nor the energy. After it's processed it out of it, then it starts to get dysfunctional. And the mitochondria primarily operates off of fat. Fat has a lot more calories, a lot more energy than sugar

Speaker 2:

Does. It's more efficient. Yes. So and so when the mitochondria are dysfunctional or not working properly, does that sell like not work as efficiently?

Speaker 4:

Correct. And then it st it starts sending out molecules saying, I'm, or a hormone saying I'm hungry because I can't make enough energy. So when those cells start saying, I'm hungry, cause I can't make enough energy,

Speaker 2:

They start sending out more cholesterol,

Speaker 4:

No sugar. Ah. So the cell can, the mitochondria does not use sugar. The cell can use sugar without the mitochondria. So red blood cells, fun little fact. Red blood cells do not have a mitochondria. They only operate on sugar. Well, they're in the bloodstream. So

Speaker 2:

There's all sugar. Sperm, sperm don't have mitochondria either. Look at

Speaker 3:

That. Oh, you had

Speaker 4:

To jump in. No wonder they're sperm peace. Tasteless<laugh>. Oh the. They do one thing and that's it. They

Speaker 2:

Just, but really well just

Speaker 4:

Keep swimming for a little while. Just, just keep swimming.

Speaker 2:

Just

Speaker 3:

Swimming<laugh>.

Speaker 4:

So as mitochondria get more dysfunctional, people start craving even more sugar. Sugar comes with inflammatory molecules and is inflammatory to the human body. So it worsens the problem. And then you get obesity, then you get cardiovascular disease, strokes, cancers, cancer loves sugar. So really if you kind of boil it down and it did it very simply, mitochondrial dysfunction is the root of all evil. Wow. And thus women<laugh>.

Speaker 2:

Yay. And that's for those of you joining later, it's because all the mitochondria in our body come from our mother. Correct. Because the sperm doesn't have mitochondria. Correct. The egg does. So, so from the beginning of time, and that's actually how they actually trace the, the motherhood genome. Mm-hmm.<affirmative> has been traced, uh, because the mitochondria, uh, has its own dna that's different than our human dna. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. Well, that was a fascinating discussion on what the mitochondria is. When we come back, we're gonna talk about how we fix the mitochondria. Ooh. And what kind of supplements we might be able to take. Uh, how do people get a hold of you, Dr. U?

Speaker 4:

So you can use my website, ub medical.com. That's O U B R E medical.com. I'm not gonna mention the www. Please don't. That ages me. I was waiting for. And our phone number is(512) 829-1104.

Speaker 2:

And if you have questions for Dr. Ub or have questions for us, uh, wanna learn more about what we're talking about, how do people get ahold of

Speaker 3:

Us, you can reach out to us through the website, armor men's health.com. You can submit questions there for Dr. UB or any other specialist that we've had on the show. And then you can also call us and ask for me during the week 5 1 2 2 3 8 0 7 6 2. You can listen to our podcast wherever you listen to free podcasts. Thanks guys.

Speaker 2:

Hello and welcome back to the Armor Men's Health Show. This is Dr. Mystery, your host here with my amazing director and co-host, Dr. Donnelly.

Speaker 4:

That's

Speaker 3:

Right. Welcome back. Everybody. What is that thing called? That directors use and then they make the, the thing

Speaker 2:

It's called, it's called the Slimer. Slimer.

Speaker 4:

You know what has a purpose? I didn't learn this until I was doing video editing. What's

Speaker 2:

The

Speaker 4:

Purpose? The purpose is to synchronize all of the microphones on a single sound spike.

Speaker 3:

Oh, really? Interesting. Well, we need that.

Speaker 2:

Well, I will forget that very quickly,<laugh>.

Speaker 4:

So

Speaker 3:

Mitochondria is down, mitochondria is down.

Speaker 2:

We are joined again by Dr. Phillip U of U Medical. He is a functional medicine specialist. Before I do that, Donna, how do people get ahold of us?

Speaker 3:

There's, I was gonna say there's no W in U by the way. We've moved forward from that. Yes. Our website's, armor men's health.com. And then you can check out our main website, which is north austin urology.com, from armor men's health.com. That's wonderful. You pointed out to me, I'm such an incredible marketing

Speaker 2:

Manager. This is a men's health show. We, on our last segment, we, we began talking about the mitochondria, which is an organelle in cells that are the energy makers for the cells. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. And it never occurred to me that that little power plant could have dysfunction. But what an amazing insight into how if that thing isn't working, why it can lead to so many other problems. And, and Donna, you're a big fan of the mitochondria nowadays.

Speaker 3:

I know. I fell on this other podcast. I cheated on this one day<laugh> and I found this other wellness podcast, Dr. Pinkston, and she was talking to some cardiologist about mitochondria. I just never really thought it it through. And I just was so educated I couldn't wait to have Dr. Eck on so we could talk to him.

Speaker 2:

And you started taking a mitochondria supplement, right? Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3:

<affirmative>, what's it called? It's called Miob Blast Shooting of the picture.

Speaker 2:

Dr. U And for our listeners, we don't get, we don't get paid by anybody

Speaker 3:

By the way.

Speaker 2:

We don't get paid or sponsored. It's just, it's just sharing insights that we have with our listeners that, that we want you like

Speaker 3:

No, the combination of the hormones I'm on and then the mito blasts and it's got some green tea in it, like it's mm-hmm.<affirmative>, you know, really amazing. H you cg. I just feel

Speaker 2:

So good and it makes, I feel really good. It's giving you some better

Speaker 3:

Energy. I've gotten so much more energy in the last few weeks. I started it maybe a month ago.

Speaker 2:

Mm-hmm. So Dr. U, when, when you have somebody who's feeling fatigued and you suspect mitochondrial dysfunction, what is, uh, do you do any testing and what do you do for

Speaker 4:

Treatment? Kind of as we talked about in the, the last segment is that almost all disease is mitochondrial dysfunction. So, um, no matter what the patient comes to me with, as far as symptom-wise, it's always related to mitochondrial dysfunction. And so you can boil it down fairly simple into, and, and like we talked about with, with other things, some things are just kind of inherent. It makes sense that if the mitochondria need to be functional in order to work, they need nutrients, they need to be able to get groceries in and they need to be able to get the trash out. And so each human struggles with different components of that. And so you go all the way back to the food of course, and say, well, if you're putting trash in, like if you're putting cheeseburgers like you're gonna eat tonight and, and into the the system, then your mitochondria may not be, uh, so pleasant and, and enjoy that. And so in addition, the mitochondria, remember, don't thrive on sugar, they thrive on fat. So if you're eating a high sugar diet, a high carb diet, or also known as a low fat diet, which is the primary diet most Americans eat and is act absolutely atrocious. So actually it sounds completely backwards, but eating a high fat diet with lots of vegetables and fiber is actually the main way to feed the mitochondria. Not only does that feed the mitochondria the nutrients they need, but it also feeds your microbiome, the gut bacteria and things you need to help take the trash out every day.

Speaker 3:

Give us an example of the high fat diet that is susceptible here. So what does that mean? And vegetables, you

Speaker 4:

Said I, that's a good question because, uh, that does kind of sound like I'm promoting keto and it does not need to be keto. What, but what I do teach Americans, uh, that's most of my patients is, um, that if you're not actively avoiding carbs, you're eating too many. So it's not to say that you need to be zero carbs, that's not the goal. But if you're not actively avoiding carbs, they're everywhere. Like when I walked into the studio, there was donuts and things in, in the studio. Right. Who brought those? No, I, I don't know.

Speaker 3:

I think that was me. Uhhuh.

Speaker 4:

<laugh>. There's so, we're, we're constantly, constantly exposed to sugar. It's such a quick source of energy and it tastes delicious. So too much sugar causes mitochondrial dysfunction because sugar is inflammatory. Inflammation damages are mitochondria and, um, worsens everything.

Speaker 2:

Hmm. So when it comes to testing for it,

Speaker 4:

I forgot the question.

Speaker 2:

<laugh>. Are there tests, are there tests that people can, can do for mitochondrial dysfunction?

Speaker 4:

There's absolutely tests. And I, what I will say, even in the functional medicine world, many functional medicine doctors don't even know how to interpret those tests cuz they're very complicated. And we've got a long ways to go in the testing world to really understand mitochondria. One of my favorite tests is actually called an organic acids test. And so the organic acids test, which is a urine test, a frozen urine test, it, it, it looks at got markers, it looks at detox markers, but there's specific sections on mitochondrial markers and what they're looking at in the mitochondrial world, this is a urine test. So basically a, as we learned in med school, the kreb cycle of the citric acid cycle is the main cycle that the mitochondria are utilizing to make energy. And that cycle is a cycle. So you're supposed to have all of those components in balance constantly rotating like a clock always going around. So if any one level is high, it's saying that that reaction couldn't go to the next step. So that level is high and thus you found extra and the urine and then the next level is low. And so what we look at those markers and see are they in balance? Because if they're in balance and that means the mitochondria are functioning properly, you can also look at the detox markers because if you're not detoxifying well that's kind of a double whammy cuz the mitochondria detoxification is not just a, a product you buy, detoxification is an incredibly energetic process. It takes a lot of energy to detoxify. So doing like the master cleanse and drinking water and, and juice is not the way to detoxify cuz you've shut down your energy factories. The mitochondria needs that energy to detoxify. So you can look at the de detox markers. Another thing you can look at it, and this makes sense, if something's not detoxifying well then it's gonna hold onto those toxins and the toxins gonna damage itself. So you can look at things in the urine like lipid peroxides is one of the markers. Lipid peroxides are, lipids are, uh, another word for cholesterols as you know. And as we talked about in the, the last segment, the mitochondria has a double cell membrane. Our cell membrane is called a lipid bilayer. That's lipids. Cholesterols. And so the more oxidative damage, the more the, which basically means poor detox, the more oxidative damage to the cell membrane to the mitochondria, you make more damages to those lipids. And those are called lipid peroxides. And then you urinate out those lipid peroxides, you can measure

Speaker 2:

That. So for this idea that there's gonna be one supplement that you can maybe get off the shelf that's called can help your mitochondria, it may not be completely true. Oh, no, no, no. Understanding what the balance is, that's off. Mm-hmm. Some more in-depth testing is gonna be kind of an important thing. And then you can supplement or detoxify in a very personalized

Speaker 4:

Way. Correct. And, and that's kind of what we do in function matters. Yes. The almost all disease is based on mitochondria dysfunction. Everyone's path to getting that disease is different. Is different.

Speaker 2:

Correct. And understanding how your diet specifically may change. And you know, a lot of people think they're eating healthy.

Speaker 4:

Oh. Most people

Speaker 2:

Believe. And understanding maybe how your diet might be affecting your health and yourself on a very microscopic level, I think is such a wonderful gift that you can give to yourself now and your family. And the, these tests, they cost money, right?

Speaker 4:

They do. Um, surprisingly at the functional medicine world, yeah. A lot of things are out of pocket. Insurance covers a few things, but honestly, if you've got a good functional medicine doctor, so much can be determined just on your clinical story. That's why we spend so much time with our patients because it's not only identifying with them and connecting with them, but if you listen to someone's story, you know what they're eating, you know what they've done most of their life. Like if you take my story, I grew up on grits in south Louisiana, in Poptarts and Frosted flakes. Mm-hmm. And antibiotics and hamburgers. Exactly. Mm-hmm. Uh, well more jambalaya than, than

Speaker 3:

Hamburgers. That's the same noise that I think your wife said you make during sex<laugh>. Mm-hmm. Same hamburger noise.<laugh> hold Simpson. Anyway,

Speaker 4:

<laugh>. So yeah. Listening to someone's story, I, I, I often tell patients in the functional medicine world, I can spend thousands of dollars on testing and I love testing. We all doctors do. But what I would rather do is order the test. Once I want to order the test once I want to say, based on your story, you have this problem and I'm gonna treat it this way via a clinical diagnosis, which is an art that's lost in, in modern medicine, I believe. And then after I fix that problem, I wanna do the test to prove that it's completely fixed. In an ideal world, I only order a test one. It's not true. It doesn't actually happen that way. But it would be nice to say, Hey, you're mold toxic. You have mold toxin in your body from this exposure, the water leak, whatever it may be. And these symptoms we're gonna treat you and do A, B, C, and D. And after D is done, then we're gonna do the micro Botox test, which is another urine test to, to look for those mo toxins. And I want to see zero to say job well done on to the next.

Speaker 2:

Mm-hmm. I think that's really important for those of you that are listening that have complex medical conditions aren't getting the time you need from the physicians that are seeing you. Mm-hmm. And listen, your doctors are well trained, they work very hard. Yeah. But they have to see, you know, 30 patients a day and the interest to be able to make their note every month. And it's, it's just an unfortunate thing that we don't have enough doctors mm-hmm.<affirmative> and we, we don't have enough time. But if you are complicated and you need to see somebody that, that will take the time you need to really consider a functional medicine doctor. And, um, how do people make appointments with you? And, and maybe you could just briefly go over what kind of training you went. I'm

Speaker 4:

A regular physician, just like Dr. Misk went to med school and, and re

Speaker 2:

I'm not regular<laugh> regular. I mean, let's not go too far. Philip

Speaker 3:

<laugh>. Philip,

Speaker 4:

I took lots of classes and watched same podcast, read the same books that many patients do. And, um, I talked to a patient yesterday that has seen other functional medicine docs than and, and seen podcasts and wasn't sure what to do. But I've got the benefit of having patients. And so whatever I've learned, I've applied it to patients as the, the litmus test to see if that thing worked. And so there's so many weird things out there in functional medicine, so many people promoting anything that you're willing to buy. And so in functional medicine get lost. So luckily with my training and, and applying it to clinical practice, I've kind of narrowed down what actually works in functional medicine and what's just snake oil. Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. So I, I've mainly attended, uh, the if F m Institute of Functional Medicine, um, which is a, a conference for medical doctors to learn functional medicine.

Speaker 2:

And what I would tell listeners is that your health is worth a little bit of money. Yeah. And

Speaker 4:

Spend it now or spend it

Speaker 2:

Later and you're gonna spend it on diabetic medications Yeah. And illness. And you're gonna wish that you had intervened earlier. Very few people regret eating and living healthy. Right, right. Living longer. Man, I got a disease. I should have just eaten a bunch of sugar,

Speaker 3:

Man. I had a really long, healthy life. Yeah,

Speaker 2:

Man. That, that was terrible.<laugh>. Donna, how do people get ahold of us and, uh, get questions to Dr. U.

Speaker 3:

That's right. You can call us during the week(512) 238-0762 our website, armor men's health.com and check out our podcast just like this one, wherever you listen to amazing podcasts. Thank you so much, Dr.

Speaker 1:

U. Thank you. The Armor Men's Health Show is brought to you by N A U Urology specialist. For questions or to schedule an appointment, please call 5 1 2 2 3 8 0 7 6 2 or online at armor men's health.com.