EP 684: Sun's Out, Skin's Out? Grab Your Sunscreen & Get That Summer Glow Without the Damaging Effects of Sunshine, Stress, Sugar, and Smoking

In this segment, Dr. Mistry and Donna Lee are joined by Dr. Paige Seeker of Seeker Dermatology. Did you know that our skin is actually the largest organ in the body? This critically important system keeps toxins out and moisture in, regulates our body temperature, and often acts as a mirror of our internal health. While it’s no secret that basking in the summer sunshine can damage your skin over time, several other factors can impact it as well. Among these, stress, sugar, smoking, and sun exposure are common culprits. Fortunately, the healthy of your skin can be greatly improved with simple lifestyle modifications like boosting your hydration, applying sunscreen daily,  eating a well-balanced diet, and getting enough sleep. On the other hand, our skin is a complex (but resilient) organ that deserves our attention and care. If you or someone you love is struggling with a skin condition, call Seeker Dermatology at 737-910-3376 or go online to schedule your consultation today! 

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:07

Welcome to the Armor Men's Health Show with Dr. Mystery and Donna Lee.

Speaker 2: 0:15

Hello and welcome to the Armor Men's Health Show. I'm Dr. Mystery , your host, board certified urologist, founder of NAU Urology Specialist, and joined by our business development manager, my co-host, professional comedian Ann Donna Lee .

Speaker 3: 0:28

Hey everybody. Thank you so much for listening to our show. Remember, you can catch our podcast wherever you pod. Did you know that's a verb? Now you can pod

Speaker 2: 0:35

That is not a verb .

Speaker 3: 0:36

It is a verb. I heard it the other day on a podcast. Anyway ,

Speaker 2: 0:39

I wanna see your SAT scores. Before I

Speaker 3: 0:40

Believe anything , they were very low. I went to public school in Lockhart , Texas. Um, you can visit our website, armor men's health.com or visit us in Round Rock North Austin. South Austin and Dripping Springs y'all.

Speaker 2: 0:50

And if you want more, Donna, which has been said never , uh, you can see her at Cap City Comedy, she's gonna have a monthly show.

Speaker 3: 0:57

That's right. I'll be out there. Visit cap city comedy.com for the calendar. And you can see my super cute face with my comedy partner, Ruby Nicholas . We did the search for the funniest mom in America. She was actually the funniest mom in America. I was number seven. Yes.

Speaker 2: 1:09

And the , and the tears kind of took something away. You

Speaker 3: 1:11

Know, I dried them the other day, but they just keep coming back. They just spew outta my face. It's amazing. But we have a dermatologist that can help me with the tear spewing of my face.

Speaker 2: 1:20

We've been doing this show for many years and I wanted to have one of our skin doctors on our show, Dr. Paige seeker's joining us today. Paige, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks so

Speaker 4: 1:28

Much for having me.

Speaker 2: 1:29

So you're a dermatologist? I am. And the dermatologist, why don't you tell us what that doctor does and what your education consisted of?

Speaker 4: 1:37

Absolutely. So my education was four years of college, four years of medical school, and then four years of residency. So 12 total years.

Speaker 3: 1:44

And you're 25. It's amazing. I'm

Speaker 4: 1:45

25. Yes . All dermatologists are just always 25 <laugh> . It's , it's a rule , right? Um, yes . And my, you know, I love dermatology because we do see patients of all ages, really wide variety, and then a wide variety of skin conditions. So we do , uh, surgical excision of skin cancers, lipomas, benign lesions. We do , um, some cosmetics, right? So we address acne scarring. We address , um, different concerns of aging. And then we also see pediatric population. We do treat general medical conditions like eczema, psoriasis, acne. So I usually say everyone needs a dermatologist, just about.

Speaker 3: 2:18

Sure .

Speaker 2: 2:18

And it , and , and it really is, it really is the case. Because, you know, when you go to a primary care doctor, now, if you take off your shirt, that's quite a , uh, quite the invasive physical exam. Wow. You know, they don't even whatcha doing . Exactly . Even, I mean , to listen to your heart. I mean, so many patients come and tell me that their doctors don't even do digital rectal exams anymore. Right. But when you go to your dermatologist, you're getting naked.

Speaker 4: 2:37

You're getting naked. Yes. Yes. And I usually say, I look , I'll look everywhere. Their skin people are a lot of times surprised when I look inside their mouth between their toes. Between their toes

Speaker 2: 2:45

And their butt cheeks. Exactly .

Speaker 4: 2:47

Exactly. And

Speaker 2: 2:48

Do you charge by the hour

Speaker 4: 2:49

<laugh>?

Speaker 3: 2:50

I feel invaded. This is very invasive <laugh> . I

Speaker 4: 2:52

Should, I should. And I do like to say I don't wanna scare people into coming to the dermatologist. Certainly people come and they decline a genital exam on at times, and I encourage it. Certainly I encourage your complete head to toe skin check, but I don't want that to scare you off from coming to the dermatologist.

Speaker 2: 3:06

And so dermatologists in our field are usually known as like the smartest, I mean, second smartest. Hmm .

Speaker 3: 3:14

There it is.

Speaker 4: 3:15

There it is. Second.

Speaker 2: 3:16

Second . Smartest <laugh> , I mean urology, number one. Of course. Of course. And then dermatology number two. What do you think it is about the field of dermatology that really draws the best and brightest of the medical professionals?

Speaker 4: 3:28

You know, we are nerds to, our very core skin is incredibly complex. It's, it's, you do a lot of things at a microscopic level. And I think that you have to really have a passion for it to keep up with all of the just explosion and , um, new therapeutic techniques and kind of novel pathways for immunotherapy. So I think that it's, it draws intellectuals, certainly, but then you also have to have just a , a love for people and the ability to make people feel comfortable seeing them naked within the first five minutes of meeting them. So it takes a unique type of person.

Speaker 2: 3:58

It takes you five minutes, Travis amateur.

Speaker 3: 4:01

No , no amateur.

Speaker 4: 4:02

Exactly.

Speaker 3: 4:04

She has to know so much from head to toe. All the skin. You just have to check out wieners and balls.

Speaker 2: 4:08

Hey,

Speaker 3: 4:09

That's a small part of the body. That's it.

Speaker 2: 4:11

And taints small

Speaker 3: 4:12

Part of the body. Yes. <laugh> . So , and

Speaker 2: 4:15

Tanks . So , so when it comes to dermatology, you know, some of the colloquialisms that we'd use is that the skin is the largest organ in the body. Absolutely. And some of the things that's fascinated me about it, and that's true, is that this organ can tolerate more than, I think even like a metal, because it can take hot and cold. It can burn and fix itself. It can deal with acids and alkalines. It can deal with extremes of conditions and can still cover our bodies so that we don't ooze out of ourselves.

Speaker 4: 4:43

It's amazing. And I think , uh, people, oftentimes a misunderstanding is people think that skin is kind of a inactive organ. It just kinda sits there and keeps everything out. But it really is a skin barrier. So it keeps moisture in, it keeps allergens out. It's an immune organ, so you have more immune cells in your skin than anywhere else in the body. So constantly sampling and learning from the environment and learning whether you are going to react to it or not , um, it makes you waterproof. It's what allows you to swim and shower and then completely recover from that .

Speaker 2: 5:09

I am waterproof.

Speaker 4: 5:10

You are waterproof. Yeah . And then healing is amazing too.

Speaker 3: 5:13

So there's our new T-shirt, <laugh> ,

Speaker 2: 5:16

I'm waterproof

Speaker 3: 5:17

At NAU , urology specialist, <laugh> . That's

Speaker 2: 5:19

It all . And so men are funny, right? So like, my wife cares about her skin. She has 80 things on her counter, and I'm not sure anything does anything <laugh>.

Speaker 3: 5:30

But she's beautiful nonetheless.

Speaker 2: 5:32

There you go . And I think, I think the more expensive the things get, the more numerous they are. Mm . But then recently, status

Speaker 3: 5:38

Simple in the

Speaker 2: 5:39

Bathroom. Recent , recently I started on this, this, this kind of mission to drink a gallon of water a day. Good for you. And now I'm about a month into it, and I feel like my skin is plumping. You

Speaker 3: 5:49

Look dewy, you look great. Yeah .

Speaker 2: 5:50

So and so and so now I go home. It's that

Speaker 4: 5:52

In the Botox, right? <laugh> . And I

Speaker 2: 5:53

Start and I say ,

Speaker 3: 5:54

Hey , hey , my secret to skincare is secret.

Speaker 2: 5:56

Right . I got a face for radio Lee . There you go. <laugh> . And so I started using some of her face stuff and now my face feels a little bit better. Aw . So I guess what I , what I would say is, I'm not sure men take care of their skin. Oh

Speaker 3: 6:07

Wow. That was a long way to go around that. Hey, <laugh> ,

Speaker 2: 6:10

I wanna talk about how good I look.

Speaker 4: 6:12

You do look great. It must say sunny , but yes. I, I think that it, it's, it varies, right? I have some men who say I, I wash my face with hand soap when it's available. And I have others who come to me, especially the younger generations who have a 21 step skincare routine.

Speaker 2: 6:26

Men. Yes.

Speaker 4: 6:27

Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> . Yeah . I think the younger generations are really, really

Speaker 3: 6:30

Saw it on TikTok . Right.

Speaker 4: 6:31

They saw it on TikTok . Exactly. Exactly. And they're very, very concerned with aging. So I think it's a generational thing for sure.

Speaker 3: 6:37

Yeah. I saw a thing on Inside Edition with a dad who's older and he got a whole a hundred thousand dollars facelift so he could look like their , the kid's father instead of the kid's grandfather. And then there's this whole article about how guys are doing this more often. Right?

Speaker 2: 6:50

This is, this is not fair. If the , if the kids are gonna keep looking younger and I'm just gonna keep aging, then I'm gonna look like my

Speaker 3: 6:56

Grandfather . Is it their fault? Are you blaming the children? Again?

Speaker 2: 6:58

I don blame the children. I'm blaming the children. I don't blame the children. Act your age and look your age. <laugh> . Yeah. So , uh, if you were gonna advise, you know, just men in different stages of their life to talk about, I mean, my guess is proper sunblock, proper sun protection is going to be critical to avoid those changes of aging. What are some of those changes that occur with excessive sun exposure?

Speaker 4: 7:20

Absolutely. And I think that's so important to emphasize is people will come to me asking about their skincare routine. And it doesn't include sunscreen. Also , you can throw everything else away. Sunscreen is the most important step in any skincare routine. 90% of aging is caused by the sun. Right? So we know that your collagen degrades, your elastin degrades. That's what makes your skin look youthful. Um, you are much more likely to develop skin cancers. You get signs of photoaging, like sun spots , those brown spots that pop up on the skin. You can get broken blood vessels or telangiectasias those red spots on the skin. And then wrinkles, obviously premature wrinkling. There's a viral photo of a man who was a truck driver. I think I encourage everyone to look it up next time they think about skipping their sunscreen. And his left side, you can tell , is significantly more photo age compared to the right side because he had so much sun exposure through his windows. And a lot of times people will come to me and they'll say, well, I don't go outside. I don't need to wear sunscreen. And I usually say , how'd you get here? That's amazing. Because Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> , even if you're driving in a car, even if you're near a window, you should be wearing your sunscreen every day . And only about 10% of the United States wears sunscreen every day . So it's my mission every

Speaker 2: 8:20

Day . Well , every

Speaker 4: 8:21

Day . Every day. Do you have

Speaker 3: 8:22

On , I have a question about toxins. Of course

Speaker 2: 8:23

Not

Speaker 3: 8:24

<laugh> . Are there there certain sunscreens? 'cause I'm one of those weird people that I don't put perfume lotions on that I'm worried about all the toxins and soaking into that organ that we have called skin. Like what do you recommend for sunscreen that isn't going to kill us or give us weird cancer when we're 40 or 50?

Speaker 4: 8:38

Absolutely. Absolutely. And there are two different types of sunscreens. There's a chemical sunscreen, which you're familiar with. The way that chemical sunscreens are designed is that to actually sink in to the skin and be absorbed by the bloodstream. And so that's when sun impacts your skin. Or when you do get the radiation , um, that can damage your skin. It can actually, actually change it molecularly at that level and prevent damage. Prevent DNA damage. That's the first category. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> . If you're worried about anything being absorbed into your blood screen , you wanna look for mineral sunscreens. Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> . And those are things that contain zinc oxide and titanium dioxide. Okay. Those usually are effective by, they actually are intended to sit on the surface of your skin. Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> and act as a mirror to deflect sun rays and then wash

Speaker 3: 9:17

Off easier than the first

Speaker 4: 9:18

One. Exactly. Exactly. So if you're concerned about, you know, any absorption to the bloodstream, mineral sunscreens are a fantastic choice.

Speaker 2: 9:24

Okay. I'm a big fan of habit forming advice. So if I don't use sunscreen every day , and if you're brown , if I was Hey , because

Speaker 3: 9:32

You're like, I'm brown ,

Speaker 2: 9:33

I got genetic sunscreen , I don't need it. So if I, if I was gonna give advice to my patients of how to easily adopt some health thing into their normal routine, can you give people advice on when do you think the time to do it, how to do it, what to use in a way that can be consistent?

Speaker 4: 9:49

Absolutely. I usually recommend putting it by your toothpaste. I think that's really effective because you're gonna brush your teeth every day at least once. Hopefully, we hope. And then

Speaker 2: 9:56

This minty stuff tastes terrible. <laugh> . Exactly .

Speaker 4: 9:59

Exactly. Don't mix them . I don't advise that. But then you're at least jogging your memory while you're brushing your teeth. I usually say, get a sunscreen that you like. Right. The old school sunscreens are not great for all skin types. Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> . They'd have newer, more cosmetically elegant sunscreens that blend better, that really look better on the skin. Sometimes I'll even recommend getting one with a little bit of a tint to it. Right. So it will look more cosmetically appealing. And it may will make you , you don't a tin

Speaker 3: 10:21

Feel like a Dr . Mystery

Speaker 4: 10:23

<laugh> . It'll make you feel like you're putting on up . Don't crack

Speaker 3: 10:26

Black , don't cry . And

Speaker 4: 10:27

I do recommend it for all skin types because you're not immune to other symptoms of aging. Right. You're not, you can still get the sun spots , you can still get the wrinkles. So I do recommend it for every skin type. And then

Speaker 2: 10:36

I think we need older guests . <laugh> , I'm feeling, I'm feeling very judged right now.

Speaker 4: 10:40

No

Speaker 3: 10:40

Judgment. You're brown and judged.

Speaker 2: 10:43

Dr . Seker , thank you so much for joining us. What is the name of your practice and how do people become your patient? Yes.

Speaker 4: 10:48

Our practice is Seeker Dermatology. You can reach us at online@seekerdermatology.com. Um, or you can call us at (737) 910-3376 . Hello

Speaker 2: 10:57

And welcome back to the Armor Men's Health Show. I'm Dr . Mystery , board certified urologist, founder of NAU Urology Specialist, A holistic urology practice. Mm-Hmm . In which we are very proud of the wonderful care that we provide. I'm joined by Donna Lee. Been with Miss for how long?

Speaker 3: 11:12

Seven

Speaker 2: 11:12

Years. Seven year . And someone who I couldn't do this show without it. You

Speaker 3: 11:16

Literally could not do this show without me. We

Speaker 2: 11:17

Literally would be

Speaker 3: 11:18

Unable to . I also produce it on most occasions unless we have Whitney and we're spoiled at KLBJ.

Speaker 2: 11:23

We're once again joined by Dr. Paige Seeker. Dermatologist with Seeker Dermatology. Thank you so much for joining us again, Paige. Thanks for having me. So I'm not an easy person to work for. No

Speaker 4: 11:33

Way.

Speaker 2: 11:34

No. And Donna was our practice manager, and I may have been a little rough on her <laugh> . And then,

Speaker 3: 11:39

Is this the apology I wanted all these years? And

Speaker 4: 11:42

Then

Speaker 2: 11:42

It's happening. It's happening . And then one day, one day she showed up with this rash.

Speaker 3: 11:47

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:48

And she could not get rid of it. She went all over the country. It was horrible. And she just couldn't get rid of it.

Speaker 3: 11:53

I went to seven doctors

Speaker 2: 11:54

And do you know what it was? That's terrible.

Speaker 4: 11:56

What

Speaker 2: 11:56

Was it ? Do you know what it was? It was literally working for me. Oh ,

Speaker 3: 12:00

<laugh> .

Speaker 2: 12:00

This is for our listeners. It it it is , it is without a doubt. It was stress. I , we moved her position. Wow. And the stress went away and we have not seen the rash again. It

Speaker 3: 12:09

Wasn't just a rash. Dr. Seker , my lips blew up. Like I had bad injections. Oh, so

Speaker 4: 12:14

You had like angioedema

Speaker 3: 12:14

And then I had blood coming from the corners of my lips and I had to thank God we were wearing masks during covid. I had to wear a mask all the time. But when I showed you, you repelled backwards from me. Yes . And said, put that mask back on your face. Yes. Yes . It was horrifying.

Speaker 4: 12:26

I'm so sorry. That sounds awful.

Speaker 3: 12:28

It was awful.

Speaker 4: 12:28

And it's not unusual. I find stress makes almost every skin condition worse. Right.

Speaker 3: 12:32

Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 4: 12:33

That's

Speaker 2: 12:34

Crazy. Yeah . And so then , uh, as a fertility doctor over the years, I have seen an incredible overlap between men with genital psoriasis, dry scaly skin of the genitals, and low sperm counts. Interesting. And so it made me really think that the skin is such an important, not just protector of us, but in some ways a mirror of what's going on inside of us. Maybe you could talk about the immune things that go on in the skin. Why you think stress may kind of display itself on the skin? Talk to me about the skin as kind of a, some type of signaling issue for health issues inside.

Speaker 4: 13:11

Absolutely. And you know, we , that's why dermatology is kind of such an interesting intricate field is because you have to be able to recognize, you know, a run of the mill ordinary rash versus something systemic or underlying, certainly conditions like dermatomyositis or , um, certain rashes can be, not to scare people, but can, can actually be predictors of cancer. Kind of other well in the body sometimes kind of systemic itching can also be , uh, that. So you have to really be able to see the patient and be able to evaluate what that is. And for that reason, we sometimes will get labs, we'll do skin biopsies , um, to make sure that there's not something more systemic going on. But it is interesting how stress does make everything worse. I've seen patients with psoriasis that really flare with stress. I do think that there's kind of an oxidative effect of stress on the body. Um, certainly we know that lack of sleep as well can contribute to worsening skin conditions. And it's kind of tough because a lot of times skin conditions prevent you from sleeping and prevents you from getting, you know, the self-care that you need. So

Speaker 2: 14:03

It's like a cycle. Right ? It's the

Speaker 4: 14:04

Cycle. Exactly . Exactly.

Speaker 2: 14:06

Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> . And so , um, interestingly, we find that the stress response affects so much in the body. And that's something that we never really appreciated in medical school. You know, you would just say, yeah, sleep better and reduce stress of course will help your cardiovascular system. And then it's just, we as doctors really just ignored that. Nobody taught us how to teach our patients how to reduce stress, even though I believe now that sugar metabolism and the cortisol response from excess , uh, stress and poor sleep probably affects our health more than almost any of the other things that we do.

Speaker 4: 14:39

Absolutely. And I think that that's why it's so important to be holistic as practitioners, as doctors because you have to identify what's going on in the patient's life to be able to help them. Right. Right. Um, so a lot of times there are conditions, certain skin picking conditions, certain conditions where your hair can fall out , uh, that are, you have to get to the root cause, which a lot of times is stress. So I usually make sure that we're always doing a thorough history and making sure what's going on in their , in patients' lives.

Speaker 2: 15:01

When it comes to nutrition, again, the skin is such an important and , and integral part of our body. We wouldn't be surprised to learn that our heart is affected by what we eat. How is our skin affected by what we eat? What are things that you think are particularly bad for it?

Speaker 4: 15:15

So you hit the nail on the head when you said sugar. I think the glycemic response and the high glycemic index foods are terrible for us. Right. So we know that glucose spikes really things that can really raise your glucose and then drop them or crash them are terrible for conditions like hydradenitis sub tiva for acne, for psoriasis, for lot , lots of conditions. And so a lot of times I'll tell patients the number one thing to cut out of your diet is sugary drinks. I think that's the Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> the worst thing that you can be doing for your skin because you're really having that super, super high, really dramatic rise and your glycemic index and then just a really, really flattening of the glucose curve. Um , and that can be really tough on your skin and cause some oxidative stress too. So sugar is the worst thing. I think that dairy gets a bad wrap for kind of acne. I think that it's not really the dairy component, it's the sugar that influences your insulin-like growth factor. Right. Which is what stimulates your sebaceous glands. So, which, which is what makes acne worse. Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> . So I think sugar is the number one thing to avoid for skin.

Speaker 2: 16:09

So foods that may, may have a high glycemic index kinds of things that you might see are increased amounts of acne in your skin. And you might see that the sweat glands under your armpits and your groin might be getting worse. Exactly. And that can be made even worse by weather and moisture and the heat. Right. Exactly. And so when people are having these things, the kinds of dietary changes that you recommend are gonna be the same kinds of dietary changes. We suggest for almost everything Mediterranean style diet , uh, if you're going to eat carbohydrates, eat those that have a lower glycemic in index like whole grains and whole wheats and things like that. And so those things are, are really important for your skin as well as the rest of your body. And uh , from a maintenance standpoint, if you were to give advice to people, you talked about sunscreen in the last segment. We talked about maybe finding or experimenting with sunscreens that are better for your own lifestyle. Things that aren't too goofy , things that like make you feel good and put it right next to your toothpaste because putting sunscreen on at night and then showering in the morning is probably not gonna help you that much. Exactly.

Speaker 4: 17:05

<laugh> . Exactly. I usually also say make it accessible. So this is why go coming to the dermatologist is , is great because we s stock you with little tiny sample sizes you can stick Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> in your purse and in your car and in , you know, every little kind of bag that you can have. So that's helpful. Can

Speaker 2: 17:18

You think of any other ma other maintenance things that people can do as part of their lifestyle that would help them maintain healthy skin?

Speaker 4: 17:24

Absolutely. You know, I think that general good practices are eating a healthy diet, right? We know in terms of kind of supplements, people always ask me what supplements. We know that zinc can sometimes be effective for acne. We know fish oil can be good for the skin. And then vitamin D because you're not getting it as much 'cause you're putting on the sunscreen. I generally say that smoking is terrible for the skin. So if you're, if you are smoking it does kind of really impact a lot of skin conditions in a similar way to sugar. Does that

Speaker 3: 17:48

Include vaping for all the vapors

Speaker 4: 17:50

Out there? Unfortunately, yeah. Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> any , any kind of nicotine based products. Yeah . Yeah. So, and then I do think, you know, just generally maintaining a healthy weight, exercising exactly what you'd expect for your general health is good for your skin health, staying hydrated, like your hydration journey <laugh>. Mm .

Speaker 3: 18:05

So

Speaker 2: 18:05

When it comes to skin elasticity, what are some things that occur to our general health of our skin as we age that we might not be able to avoid?

Speaker 4: 18:14

Right. So collagen loss is going to happen. Unfortunately around the age of 2025 we start losing about 1% of our collagen a year.

Speaker 3: 18:20

Oh I know . Yeah . It's

Speaker 4: 18:22

Crazy. It's crazy. And so for that reason, a lot of times dermatologists will recommend it seems counterintuitive, but traumatizing the skin. So an intentional micro injury , whether that's thermal micro injury through lasers or that's mechanical micro injury through microneedling to kind of actually induce your own system to produce its own collagen again at the same rate. So one kind of traumatic procedure, not physically, I mean physically traumatic, not emotionally traumatic <laugh> .

Speaker 3: 18:45

Well it can be

Speaker 4: 18:46

Helpful in maintaining that for sure.

Speaker 3: 18:47

Depends on how you handle stress or pain. That's

Speaker 2: 18:50

Right.

Speaker 3: 18:51

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 18:53

Gimme six inches and make it hurt. Oh boy. Of a needle. Oh ,

Speaker 3: 18:56

Okay. <laugh> . Wow.

Speaker 2: 19:01

So, so this idea of trauma induced self regeneration is not alien to urologists. We use that frequently in our erectile dysfunction treatments as well as, you know, some other issues. But in the skin you can clearly see that if you, if the body feels a little trauma, it may put down that extra collagen layer. Exactly. And in terms of the physical appearance, what do people see when they have less collagen?

Speaker 4: 19:23

People will see more fine lines and wrinkles. They'll kind of see that the skin looks a little bit more dull or congested a lot of times that they'll see their skin starts to kind of sag. And that's because actually our bone structure changes as we age too. We kind of lose bone, which is, you know, how you have a little bit of recession of the mandible for example. So , um, you have kind of age changes all of your face and all the different layers of your skin and even your bones . Mm-Hmm . <affirmative> . So that's kind of the stuff that you're gonna see as skin ages. You can also see, like we talked about brown spots that pop up on the skin from sun exposure. But a lot of times people just note that they don't have that kind of bouncy, youthful glow that they once had.

Speaker 2: 19:55

And I think we're talking a lot about cosmetic of the face. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> . But the skin is, affects us in other areas of our body. Oh absolutely. Including our hands and our feet. So what are some things that people can do to maintain good, healthy hands and feet as well?

Speaker 4: 20:07

Yes, definitely sunscreen UPF clothing. So that's can be extremely helpful, especially if you are not great about remembering to put on sunscreen. And then, like I said, we can do procedures on other parts of the body as well. Um, different types of laser treatments are great for the hands and feet. Um, and even areas that are kind of cent exposed . I find women's necks a lot of times get, a lot of women are very self-conscious about them as they age, just because that's an area that it's kind of been neglected from cent exposure as they've grown up to. So lots of different things that we can do to address that.

Speaker 2: 20:34

Well Paige, thank you so much for joining us. You're with Secret Dermatology. Tell us what is your website and how do people get ahold of you.

Speaker 4: 20:41

Yes. Our phone number is (737) 910-3376 and our website is secret dermatology.com.

Speaker 1: 20:48

Donna, how do people get ahold of us?

Speaker 3: 20:49

You can call us at (512) 238-0762 and visit our website, armor men's health.com.

Speaker 1: 20:55

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